Welcome back to another exciting episode of Down & Dirty with Dr. T! In this edition, Taapsi is in a conversation with Manisha Kapoor, the Founder and Director of CodersBee Education LLP, an organization that offers coding and AI classes to kids.
Manisha was inspired to start CodersBee because she felt there was a gap between the traditional computer science curriculum taught in schools and the modern tools for teaching coding and AI. She's now on a mission to empower young minds through practical, engaging, and project-based computer programming and Generative AI education.
ChatGPT 4.0 is Manisha’s got-to tool for a myriad of purposes.
Highlights from the episode include:
- All things ChatGPT: Manisha tells us how she has incorporated ChatGPT 4.0 across virtually every facet of her business operations. This integration spans not only the strategic aspects of business management but also extends into the service-oriented dimension of CodersBee. “The kind of things that can be automated with them [plugins] are really helpful. In our day to day life, in our organizations, the reliability is more… we are more efficient now.”
- Plugins for the win: ChatGPT and its plugins have become an indispensable part of CodersBee's daily operations. By leveraging plugins like AAA Summarize, Diagrams, Code Interpreter, Image Editor, and QR Code Creator, Manisha has streamlined processes which help her save time and enhance the overall quality of their services.
- Personalized Courses: Manisha shows us how she uses ChatGPT to create course plans for her students. Illustrating through an example, she shows us how her finely tuned prompt helps her generate personalized course plans for each student based on their interests. This approach saves her several days in time compared to creating plans manually.
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Hello and welcome everyone to another episode of Down and Dirty. Today we have with us, Manisha Kapoor, she's the founder and director of CodersBee. It's a computer programming edtech solution for kids, and the great thing about it is that it offers personalized and customized lessons. The fascinating thing about what you do, Manisha, is that it's not just edtech, it's not just computer programming, it's also generative AI, right? And introducing kids to that. And that seems to be, of course, you know, where we're headed, what all the charcha (talk) is about. And that's also what we're going to talk about today. So Manisha, thanks so much for agreeing to be on the show, and maybe to get us started, you could tell me a little bit about, you know, the inspiration behind starting CodersBee.
Thank you so much, Taapsi. First of all, thank you so much for inviting me here and I'm really honored to be here on your show.
So about me, as, as you mentioned, I'm Manisha and I'm the founder of CodersBee, but I’m a teacher by heart. So this journey, the creation of CodersBee, it started a little while ago, like when I was into my master's. I was doing my Master’s in Engineering and I got selected for some rounds of one big IT company. And that was the moment I realized, is it something I want to go? Do I really want to go to the corporate world because previously I was into teaching. Like, before joining my master’s, I was into teaching. I was teaching in colleges and I really liked it and it was, like, the satisfaction and the level of joy that you get when you are teaching kids. And, you know, they are able to understand the things, and the happiness and the power of, you know, controlling something might be like they are doing something, they are able to, you know, they have that power that, “we are doing something” and when they grasp a particular concept that really gives me real satisfaction.
So I completed my master’s and after some time I joined colleges as an assistant professor. And then I joined schools also, I was teaching kids also. But again, there, I realized there was a little gap in the traditional curriculum methods that we used to teach in our, you know, computer subject. Like we have books and where written steps are there. If you have to open PowerPoint, do this, do this, click here, click here. I mean, in today's world, in the modern digital world, we are progressing so much. And this syllabus looks to me a little bit outdated and traditional. So I found a gap there and I really needed to bridge the gap. And I got a chance, after some time, to go to the US and stay there for a while. And I realized, the education system there was a little bit different. They were also teaching computers in their schools, but there were kids were doing Code.org, and they were doing Scratch. Scratch is a kind of drag-and-drop-based platform, where you know, kids can create animations, they can create games, they can create stories, multiple things. I mean, creation is endless. You just have to be creative, you can do multiple things. I was really wondering why these things are not with us. I mean, we have to bridge this gap and our kids should also be doing these modern, updated things. So I had this idea of creating my own company, CodersBee Education, that's an edtech company where we are taking coding classes.
Now we are taking artificial intelligence. We are, you know, imparting this knowledge also. We are using multiple tools of AI where kids are generating books, they are publishing books, they are using multiple images, and generating their own custom images. I mean, this is so great, let's say if you want to generate an image of Superman you can find it on Google, right? That's not much of a thing. But what if I want to say that the extinct animals should be dressed as superpowers? Let's say Mammoth is there. A mammoth dressed as Superman. How exciting is that? I mean, the creativity is endless. So these things we are, you know, teaching the kids; the kids are really happy.
This is the inspiration behind you creating CodersBee. So, Manisha tell me, since you started this in 2019, right? And now in 2023 over the years, of course, as I imagine with any edtech, you know, with any start-up, I'm sorry, the direction the company takes also responds to where the market is headed. So I'm assuming your plate is full now, you're trying out new things, we talked about AI, you briefly mentioned it, we'll keep talking about it. So what does your day look like now, like if I had to ask you, from the time you clock into work and until the time you clock out of work, could you share with us what you do on just a normal ordinary day?
Sure. So my day starts pretty early, like around 4/4:15/4:30 a.m. Because in the morning, I take classes with kids you know, to match up their times. And before everyone gets up, I generally would have taken like, one or two hours of classes.
International classes, right? These are classes outside of India?
Right, right, these are international classes. That's why to match up to their time, I have to get up early. And then after that, in the daytime, we have some staff meetings and we have to decide on the curriculums and the projects to be taken up, meetings with the staff, with the teachers. Also, the teacher training module is going on, so we have to do the training part also. So the day goes by and towards night again, I'm taking some classes for international students, because my night time is their morning time. So, morning and night are the classes, and in between discussions and staff meetings and curriculums and research, it goes like this.
And what are you how much time would you say you're spending in staff meetings versus actually doing work, which means taking classes and engaging with students? How much of this is running the company versus actually delivering the solution?
So for students, for taking class, it's around 4, 5 hours generally. And for company work, we are spending around 4, 4.5, 5 or something like that.
Got it. So roughly equally split. And do you mind me asking, do you have kids, do you have home requirements as well that have to be kind of squeezed into your work life?
Yes, of course. I have two beautiful daughters and, when they are back, I really want to devote that particular time to them; so, making them do their homework and having a little chit chat about what they do in their schools and what is going on, so that they should not feel neglected and then they are off to their classes like some chess classes, and when they're gone, then again, I'm back to my work.
Got it. Ok. Ok. So you do have a completely full day, all sorts of responsibilities.
So, since you've started this and, you know, you said that you're a teacher as well as an entrepreneur, right? A founder. What has been the most rewarding part of your work so far with CodersBee?
As I told you, personally, I'm taking the classes. Although there are teachers, this is one thing I just can't leave, I mean, they are taking classes but I want to take the classes as well. This is the most satisfying thing. You know, kids these days are very smart, very smart. I mean, I'm, taking classes of girls, kids who are 10 years, 11, 12, 13. I mean, they are really brilliant. It’s really fun teaching them, and the way they grasp things so quickly and with so much creativity. For example, one of the children, she's creating a website for clothes. She's putting some tops and bottoms and accessories, with the help of web development. So how do they want to do it? I mean, just look at the level, they want to introduce carousels there, they want to introduce forms there, they want to introduce ‘add to cart’. They want to do everything. This is really good. I mean, I really like this way.
So this is fulfilling for you, the way you are teaching, the kind of teaching that CodersBee is pioneering is something that is rewarding, satisfying to you. What is tough, in your job?
So, the tough part is, sometimes with the management, issues are there, sometimes, you know, staff issues are there, which I really don't like much. Because my time is going on and, you know, these issues and those issues are there. But again, being a part in this, in this kind of overall institution, you have to, you know, do all this kind of stuff.
Yeah, I mean, you know what they say about a start-up, right? I mean, your team makes or breaks you. Everything is so dependent on having the right team, the right cultural mindset that's shared between people to make your vision come to life. So, I can see how that is time-consuming and possibly draining, right?
Actually, it is draining, rather than having positive outcomes. I mean, that one hour of teaching kids, even when they are doing games and literally creating snake games, is more rewarding.
Yeah. Yeah, of course, of course. So, when you are balancing your day and your responsibilities as a founder, as a teacher, what are some of the tools, solutions, applications, software, whatever you wanna call it, that you are relying on to do your day-to-day work, right? So what are some of the things that you have on? So perhaps the place where we can start is if you opened up your laptop, do you have some tabs that are always open or some applications or programs that are always on? Because that's where you start your day. What are those?
So, as I mentioned, in the morning, I'm taking classes with the kids. So for them, I use the coding software, and the text editors. YouTube links, oh my God, my students have told me a number of times, “my God, you have opened 50 tabs here on your browser.” Yeah, I mean, I need most of them to research and browse. And now we have ChatGPT, we have AI, which is helping me a lot I mean, my time has reduced so much when I have to research and I have to spend time for, you know, students to look up information for projects to do. Because that one hour [of class] should be very constructive. Parents are putting their trust in us, kids are doing that one hour. So we have to have to be very productive with that one hour. So for the research process, AI tools have helped me a lot and they have reduced my time a lot. Every day, a new one or a new tool is there.
So I’m gonna see YouTube, I'm obviously gonna see all your teaching material, you know, expected. Then there are lots of YouTube links, there's ChatGPT probably open at a browser level, and are you using any productivity tools, team tools, any other stuff that you're relying on?
Yeah, see this is more kind of meetings, what we are doing. We have assigned all that stuff to, you know, one person, who manages everything about the teachers and their time management, and we have lots of rescheduling also. We have used various other tools like preset makers and so on. So we are using all those tools, we have assigned one person who is responsible for doing all that stuff.
Okay, okay. So how do you guys communicate within the team? Are you using Slack? Are you using WhatsApp? What's your mode of communication? Is it a remote team first of all, or is it an in-person team?
Yeah. As of now, it is remote, and teachers are there. Some of the teachers are part-time, and some of them are permanent. Obviously, rescheduling is the main factor that we provide here in our organization because, you know, when parents are there, one or another thing is there, they might be going somewhere on vacation or the kid is not, well, or you know, some of the other thing is there. So rescheduling is the main factor here, and for this communication, we use WhatsApp. The main group is there, you know, everything has to be put on for the rescheduling. Then the teacher, whoever is associated looks into his or her schedule and you know, this rescheduling is the main factor.
This seems like it's, all-consuming, this is what most of the time.
Yeah. And that's why I have, you know, exported this thing to one person, saying “you are the only person responsible for this, do this for rescheduling”. And even they don't want to say no to the parents.
I have seen in other organizations, and I have even done this for my kids, we enrolled in some courses. There they have, kind of like a package. You take the package for 72 classes or something. If you miss it, it's gone. It's like that. But here, we don't want to do that kind of thing, because it happens with everyone - maybe someone has to go to a wedding, or someone is not well. I don't want to miss on their classes because that is not our main objective. Our main objective is learning. So it is a hassle at our side.
You know, as a parent myself, I know how much I appreciate, I mean, appreciate it so much when people allow me to reschedule. And it just recently happened with my kid’s swimming class. The exact same thing, you pay for a fixed package, but we were out for a month and we missed out on all those classes and they were so kind to say, “okay, we'll extend it by a month and you know, continue your thing”. So yes, and I imagine on the other side, you know, just managing changing schedules can be a nightmare. So okay, that's dominantly what happens. Okay, so let's talk, and let's now switch to ChatGPT in particular. While you are teaching your children and exposing kids to generative AI and what it can do for them and stimulate their creativity, you are also using it, as you said for your own needs in order to, you know, accelerate your own research process. So let's talk a little bit about that first. When did you first come across conversational AI or develop an interest in learning more about conversational AI as a user?
So, last year, ChatGPT came and open AI came and I am really proud to say that in January only we created the curriculum for AI and ChatGPT also. January, we created the curriculum, we did like a little bit of advertisement here. And from February onwards, we started with that curriculum. Kids started to take those classes with those AI tools. So we jumped right into it because that is our main focus to be, you know, to be at the top of things, and these things should be taught to students also. Kids should be aware of all these things.
And do you remember how you came across ChatGPT? Was it like the rest of us and we just woke up one morning and there are like a thousand tweets and you know, lots of coverage, or is it something that you were keeping track of; how did you come across it?
Yeah. As I told you, we keep on browsing every time, every day. We have to, you know, research like what is latest in the market and obviously this was there, we got up and this thing popped up. ChatGPT is there. My husband, he's also a keen researcher. I mean, he is also one main force behind me to keep me going. And, he always tells me about the new developments. So, yeah, I mean, he told me about it, he said, “Come on, let's see what is happening here. Come on, let's start”. And we started, you know, browsing and researching. “Oh, this is possible. Oh, this is possible. This is such a great thing”.
Do you remember some of the earliest prompts you gave ChatGPT? Do you remember how you started playing with it?
Yes. I asked it, “Hi. Who are you?” [laughs]
“How are you doing? How is your day? What is the weather like?” Because these are the basic things, you know, we start with it. And sometimes, you know, initially, it said like “I'm a model and based on these websites, you can go to the links.” And then, the main thing we found was how we can rephrase our text. I mean, that is the best thing we found. I'm not that good at, you know, speaking, but when I put those lines in there, I mean, it was pouring my heart. I could not say those things any time. But the way it was rephrased, it was kind of a djinn. We had our own assistant. That was the name we gave it at the start, “Oh, this is our djinn”. So beautiful, so nice, so meaningful. I mean up to the mark, right till the depth, just went to the heart. Wow, this is amazing. That was the main thing I found really good for, you know, phrasing and rephrasing and giving the prompts there.
And what were some of the reasons why you wanted it to rephrase? What were some reasons? What was it rephrasing?
Let's say, generally, you have written any text. If I have written like two or three words there and I'm not able to figure out a nice way to write it. Let's say I have to appreciate someone. On WhatsApp, messages, on someone's birthday, we used to say, “create a birthday message for this person, and oh my God, we used to get these long lines of birthday messages every time. Even the person whose birthday it was used to be amazed, like “wow, what has happened to them? I mean, they have started to be poetic”. Every kind of poem we have written — we took their names, it generated the rhymes or rhyming words.
Got it, got it. So this was still early days, right? I mean, you're prompting and asking how it's doing, what's the weather like. But now you are using the paid version, we're talking about integrations and you've kind of advanced a lot more, you know, to using ChatGPT a lot more. So I think what we should do right now is do a screen share and give us a glimpse into where you are now with ChatGPT from where you were when you started in Jan.
Sure, sure. I'll just share my screen. First of all, I would like to show you the things that we can do, you know, how we are using ChatGPT for our own progress. One thing that we do is hyper-personalization for students. Now, what does that mean? For students, we have created a template. I'll just show you the template. The template has all the students’ likes, hobbies, favorite cartoon characters, favorite historical person. We take inputs from the child in the demo and we feed them into ChatGPT, but we keep their name private, to be on the ethical side. And what we get is a kind of complete curriculum of 10 weeks, 12 weeks, or 8 weeks based on what the student has done, and what the student has not done, based on his likes so as to make the classes more engaging. So I'll just show you here. So see this template here, we have given it a prompt. We have also, you know, learned this by writing prompts again and again. ChatGPT has to act as a coding instructor for children and has to create one course for a weekly one-hour class. The course is tailored to each student's individual interests. I've given everything here - gender and you know, favorite characters. Now based on those choices and based on those likes, ChatGPT will create a kind of curriculum for you.
You’re also giving ChatGPT an example as well, right? If I read that correctly, you're saying, “for example, if a child is into superheroes, then…”
Yeah, I'll write it here. So this is one student, age, let's say, 12; gender, male; hobbies, swimming; coding knowledge, let's say none, or you can write anything. Language proficiency means whether he has done any programming language or not. Let’s say the student wants to learn scratch, his favorite superhero is Superman, favorite cartoon character is Scooby. When we are dealing with international kids, they give these kinds of answers. Historical character, holiday destination. Favorite sport, soccer. Now, based on all these inputs for the student, ChatGPT will use this information and create a one one-hour session course. So it has created a personalised 12-week Scratch programming course for the student.
Oh my God, this is crazy.
Yeah. And obviously, we can edit it. Now, you see what is happening here — based on the student's interest, [the student] whose interest is soccer, has to create a game of virtual soccer, right? The student whose hobby is swimming, can be taught how to understand variables by creating a kind of animation where, you know, the swimming is the main part. The sprites which are there, you know, they would be swimming across. Might be there is a race - you have to create a game of race where two sprites would be swimming. How to, you know, understand the conditionals. If the student’s favorite superhero is Superman. You know, the child would be so engaged and he would give his complete output. The 100% output is there and he would feel, yeah, I have done something.
How long would this have taken you to create from scratch, if you had to create a course? A 12-week course.
See, obviously, it would take me time to think. It might be 2-3, I mean, 2 to 3 days would be there because, you know, I'll be writing and then again, the next day I'll change it. No, might be, this thing should be added here. You know, our mind does not work very fast whenever you have so many things to do. So obviously 2 or 3 days it would take and now you see in less than a minute.
So 2-3 days, wow. Okay, this is dramatic. So I understood this. So what it is doing for you is helping you think about how to structure your courses for your students, right? So the first part is done here and now your job will be to actually create the course around these topics and ideas,
Yeah, we have received these inputs and obviously we can use them or we can use a bit of our own things. So here, hyper-personalization has been done and we're happy to send this kind of course to parents and even they'll be happy to, you know, receive this.
Yeah, you wanted to ask something.
Oh, no, no, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Yeah. Now when we talk about like how are we using it in, you know, our company, I hope the tools would work. Let me see. You know, now we'll be using these plugins here. So here I am using plugins like AAASummarize.app. Now, let's say I have to research, again, I told you in our organization and in our times, we have to research a lot. Like what should be done, what we should teach the kids. And once I was browsing, I really liked this video of Matt Wolf. I mean, because so many new developments and updates are you know, presented here. But as you see, the time is 23 minutes and every time I don't have that much time to go through all the videos and understand what is happening here. So what I did once is I just took this URL here and started this plugin and just to summarize this video. Sometimes these plugins, I mean, most of the time, 90% of the time they work. But sometimes what happens is because of, you know, technical here and there they take some longer time.
And now what is basically happening is this plugin has gone to this particular URL browsed through the video and will give the inputs.
Does this video have captions to it?
The video, whatever transcript would be there, has been taken. The complete transcript is there and that has been now summarized to me.
Understood. And where's the transcript in the original YouTube? Because not all videos… I see, okay, close captions are there. Got it.
Now, let me write “summarize this video in a tabular format” So again, the information I had is given in a tabular format, which is easy for me to understand. Now, I'm not just talking about this YouTube video. Even if I have to do comparison between two technologies, two platforms are there, what should I use? It even gives me the comparison between both of the things and using this comparison, we can easily decide which way to go. It's so easy for us to look at this table and move towards a particular path. And if I'm not interested in all of the information here, I can just take a particular [piece of] information, and let's say this SDXL is there and I'm interested in SDXL. So what will I write? “Give me more details on SDXL from the video”. So it will like again, go to that particular part, SDXL, browse, and provide the data for me.
Ah okay, so it can even drill down into one or two talking points from the video.
Correct. So see how my work has been, you know, lessened. My time has been reduced. In that particular time that I have, 3 or 4 hours, I can do much more things. Now, I can do many things at a time. But this is just one thing. I use it for advertisement also, for our, you know, social marketing management also we use ChatGPT. I mean, this is really very helpful. So should I show you?
Why not? Yes, let's do another one.
Sure. I mean, these things are really endless. One thing I wanted to show you is that we can even create diagrams out of it. Let's say I have this ChatGPT here and for kids only I want to create a diagram or I want a child to do a project in tic tac toe, right? To create a game in Python or something, I can say “create a diagram of tic tac toe for a student of 12 years”. And again, I have used the plugin of Show Me Diagram.
So I was gonna ask you which plugin you used. Okay, Show Me Diagrams.
Yes, Show Me Diagrams. This is the plugin I use.
So what are some of the most common plugins that you use Manisha? So Show Me Diagrams, AAASummarize.
Like AAASummarize, there is Video also and… I'll just show you there are a whole bunch of [plugins]. I’ll just show you.
I'm more interested in what you use a lot as opposed to… I'm sure the world of plugins with ChatGPT are, you know, it's only just growing but I wanna know what you would use.
So you see, this has been created. I mean, this is the algorithm and it's so easy for us to, you know, show it to the child and explain what is happening. Now we again do the hyper-personalization here. We put in the details of the child. The child is interested in, you know, soccer or swimming. And again, it would create the personalized diagram, say with the superhero. You are playing with a superhero and then you are doing tic tac toe and all that stuff. So again, this diagram can be used for that purpose also.
Got it, okay. So now let's talk about those plugins, like which are the ones that you most often rely on?
Yeah, yeah. Just I'll just show you here. So for me, as I'm taking classes for coding, Code Interpreter is also a very nice one because you know, initially when we are making kids do the code part, we have to debug the code, right? So again, it would take so much time. Now with the help of Code Interpreter, we are just putting the code and it would point out that these are the issues, these are the markups that you have to make. So again, this is very, you know easy for me.
Talking about the other ones… as I mentioned, Diagrams, we can even create charts. I mean, for our company work also, multiple charts have to be made, the comparison charts and the cost charts. And what we used to do with Excel, I mean it's now way easier to do. So, charts are there that we can use, Image Editor is a very nice app because again, when we are creating the trailer videos, right? Or we are generating the images, we need to have this Image Editor. I mean for every organization, the focus is different. For us, it is kind of images and videos, you know these kinds. Yeah, create a QR code. We created a QR code with this plugin. The moment it came, that day only, we created a QR code for our company and you know, it was so… it was having different diagrams in the inside it. I mean, have you ever seen a, see a QR code [with diagrams inside it]? It is generally black and white with the maze. But with this QR code generator, we had a very nice code generated for our company. I mean, that day only and it was working. So it's really amazing that you know, a sign of B was there inside the company QR and it was working. So yeah, we have used this meme generator also because with kids in their videos, we have to use meme generator. Every time we have to use this Prompt Perfect, we are giving some prompts, and to make this prompt better, we use Prompt Perfect, to make it a nicer one.
Okay, your template that you're talking about, the one that you now generated?
So yeah, these were some of the diagrams.
This is amazing. You are truly relying quite heavily on ChatGPT for many, many aspects of running the business, but also you know, providing the service, right? Because at the end of the day, the service is personalized and customized classes for kids. And you have showed us, you know, let me just stop the share screen for a second. Showed us so many creative ways. I think some of this stuff really did blow my mind. I could not believe the, I'm sure people are doing it a lot. But for me, this is the first time seeing, seeing a 12-week course created from ChatGPT and so engaging, I mean, the examples and the incorporation of superheroes and hobbies. It was absolutely fantastic. So, Manisha, I have a question for you. You're using plugins along with ChatGPT. What is the learning curve for someone who might look at this video and say, “oh my God, like I want to use this to create charts for my company as well or use diagrams”? What would you say is a learning curve for someone who might want to be inspired by you and start using these plugins?
See, first of all, these plugins are there for us. I mean, they are here to help us. We need to go through them and if we'll be trying one at a time, you know, you will find most of them are really helpful for us. It's just that go through them, research them, find it, start doing something. They are really very helpful. The kinds of things that can be automated with them are really helpful in our day-to-day life in our organizations, the reliability is more, you know, we are more efficient now. So any organization who wants to, you know, grow has to involve or embed these kinds of things in their day-to-day work culture.
Okay. So basically take the plunge, you're saying, “just go ahead, do your research, take the plunge and start using plugins”?
Right. And you have to be, you know, on the developmental side, you have to be updated every time - this is the key. Like whenever new technology is there, it is going to be there, it is not going to go. Initially, Google came, initially, calculators came. People at that time also said like don't use calculators, your mind will be, you know, dumb, don't do that. But they are here. Google came for browsing, and now AI. They are going to be here and they are not going to go, whatever development is happening you have to use in your day-to-day life. And so go with it, start doing it. And initially, you know, it won't work nicely, but with practice, you know, you will be really good at it.
And are there any courses or resources that you would recommend? Things that you took or relied on, you know, when you were learning about ChatGPT or trying to keep up to date with its developments? Are there any resources out there?
So for ChatGPT particularly, I did not take any course. It's just, you know, with your own research and trying out and doing stuff. I have seen that courses are there, but I'm not very sure which of them [to recommend]. Although, after some time, once we were happily, you know, we are really comfortable with ChatGPT I mean, we are using it in our own [organization]. We also created a course for that, ChatGPT/AI for educators also. We have created it because when I talk to my peers, I have got this sense that people are not very much aware about, you know, ChatGPT or AI tools. So we have this sense like taking our responsibility, we should be providing some inputs so that, you know, even teachers, educators principals, should also look into this. I mean, I’m not sure even now.
Maybe people will watch this video and feel inspired, you know, if there's a teacher out there saying “I never thought I could use it like this but now I will.” And you know, that's the best that we can hope out of something like this, highlight the story, highlight the use cases, and hope that it resonates with somebody else who is, you know, living a similar life or has similar responsibilities at work. Manisha, this was fantastic. Thank you so much. I know it's the, you know, it's the start now the mid of a work day and you have other things to do. But I appreciate the time. I appreciate the case studies. I wish we could have gone on and on with more and more use cases, but we're just, just out of time. So, yeah, have a great rest of the day and once again, thanks a lot for sharing your insights.
Thank you so much Taapsi, for inviting me here. I mean, I'm really very happy to be here. Thanks again.
Okay, bye bye bye. Thanks a lot.